RV Trip – Day 8

July 3rd, 2017 No comments

Saturday July 1, 2017

Time to unhook and leave the Fishing Bridge RV camp. An extremely loud dumpster truck wakes the whole camp up at 7:30am. Not cool. We’re definitely not fans of this RV camp. As an experiment, although we were hooked up, we only used the water from our tank and did not empty grey and black water tanks. We wanted to see what the gauges would indicate after 2 days doing that, since our next RV camp does not have hook up and we will have to ‘survive’ on water from the tank for 3 days. After 2 days, only 1/3 of the water tank is remaining. We turn on the water from the hookup, but nothing happens, and our water tank gauge still shows 1/3. This is concerning. Is it a defective gauge, or is the tank not filling up as it should? We can’t tinker for too long and have to go because Wendy booked a scenic cruise on Yellowstone lake. This water situation is a little stressful because if indeed we only have 1/3 of a tank, we’re surely going to run out after a day or so. This is a little annoying. Oh well, the worse that can happen is that we can’t shower for 2 days or so 🙂
The cruise is pleasant but nothing special. An over-caffeinated yet well-meaning young ranger is trying a little too hard to throw  too many flat jokes too early in the morning. He gets a few pity laughters, but we’re not sure if people are laughing with him or at him. Lucas is the first to spot a bald eagle at the top of a tree, and he and I enjoy watching it with the binoculars. 2-3 minutes later, the captain of the boat sees it and the whole boat is in commotion trying too late to spot it as it is now mostly hidden by the trunk. Maybe we should have shared the discovery… oh well.
Back on land, we make our way to the most famous geyser in the world: Old Faithful. Before we get there, we hit a traffic jam. We decide to park the RV on the side of the road to go check it out. It’s a magnificent elk, resting in the grass. He does not seem bothered by all the tourists surrounding him in a short distance to take photos, selphies, videos… We hit the road again to soon reach the site of Old Faithful. It was named this way because it faithfully erupts every 90 minutes. Rain or shine, day or night, winter or summer… The lodge they built is pretty, and despite the amount of tourists, the whole experience is great. We don’t have to wait much for the geyser to erupt and again, the photos and videos will speak for themselves. After the eruption, we decide to visit the center, a small museum, then head back to the RV to have lunch. Once the batteries recharged, we head back to the site to hike on the boardwalks surrounding Old Faithful and 20 or so other geysers. It is beautifully laid out, and allows to see a wide variety of pools and geysers of different colors, sizes, smells. We get a solid 10,000 steps walking on these boardwalks (you are warned to never step outside of their limits). Back to the Old Faithful Inn, We spend 10-15 minutes in the gift shop to buy the obligatory few souvenirs. Audrey selects some rocks, Regis buys some postcards (which he most likely will never find or take the time to send. We leave Old Faithful, we make our way to the Grand Prismatic Spring, which is probably the second most famous attraction of the area. Colors of these pools go from turquoise to bright red with every color in between. A ranger tells us that it is the most sold postcard at the gift shop. It’s a great sight from the boardwalk, but I lament that we cannot see it from above. There is a neighboring hill and I mention to Wendy that they should build a boardwalk that goes up that hill to offer a much more spectacular view of that pool. We’ll learn later that it is exactly what they are in the process of doing, after several years of debating the project. The construction should be ready by end of summer. Drones are forbidden in Yellowstone. A tourist dropped his drone in the middle of the Grand Prismatic Spring a few years ago, and the story goes that he actually had the nerve to ask the Yellowstone Park for compensation. He obviously didn’t get any, and the incident prompted the park to forbid the drones altogether. I’ll cheat and provide a photo of the spring that I did not take, to show what we’re missing by only seeing it from the ground. On that photo you see the boardwalk in the top left.
This sight concludes our day and we get back to the camp.
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RV Trip – Day 7

July 3rd, 2017 No comments

Friday June 30, 2017

Today will be our first full day in Yellowstone. We stop at the mud volcano to see more geothermic activity and geysers. We then head to the Grand Canyon. On the way there, we stop to admire a herd of bisons with their calves in Hayden Valley. There is quite a traffic jam as we enter the parking lot for the Grand Canyon, but we luck out and find an RV spot for us. At the bottom of the canyon flows the Yellowstone river. Another spectacular view. We then head to the Roosevelt Coral where Wendy booked a Stagecoach ride. We get to ride around the park with some real cow boys, in a replica of the stage coaches that used to roam Yellowstone before cars replaced them in the early 20th century. We learn that the reason each stop in Yellowstone is about 20 miles apart, is because that represents about a one-day journey on a stagecoach. The ride is fun and relaxing and we get the best seats, on the very top. After the ride, we stop at the Roosevelt Lodge where we all sip a drink on rocking chairs on the porch. Un grand moment. We take the road in the direction of our RV camp, and hit a traffic jam. A black bear is on the side of the road! We eventually pass it and make sure to snap pictures and shoot a little video. We then make a stop at the calcite springs. They’re columns of eroded rocks that have very interesting patterns. The photo will describe them best. I realize we’re about to hit our 1,000th mile on this trip, so I snap a photo of the odometer. Minutes later, we pass by more bisons grazing on the side of the road. This concludes another fun-filled day. We reach the RV camp. It’s called outside and the mosquitos are terrible. Besides, the camp is not very pretty, so we stay inside our cozy chateau, and Wendy makes delicious pasta. Kids watch Boss Baby while I type the summary of the previous days. We do not have wifi access in Yellowstone, so this update will have to be uploaded later. Goodnight!

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RV Trip – Day 6

July 3rd, 2017 No comments

Thursday June 29, 2017

This was our last night in Jackson. We sleep in today, as we have no plans besides driving up to Yellowstone. We get the bikes back on the rack, unhook the RV. Little glitch: the gauge of our black water tank (yes, the gross stuff) shows that it is full, despite us being hooked to the camp’s sewage system. No good. Definitely not something we want issues with. Regis peeks under the RV and fortunately, quickly notices that there is a second trap door to open for the sewage to exit the tank. Michael T., our friendly and seemingly thorough associate at the RV rental place forgot to tell us about this one. Thankfully we figured it out. Batteries are fully charged, water tank is full, grey and black water tanks are empty, and we are unhooked. It’s 11am, our checkout time, and we’re ready to roll. Good bye Jackson, we had a great time.

The Southern entrance to the Yellowstone park is only 55 miles away.
Fearing that we did not get enough supplies for our 5 days in Yellowstone, we stop again at a grocery store and gas up as well. We then hit the road and stop soon by Lake Jackson to enjoy the view and eat lunch. Wendy makes tacos in the RV, and they hit the spot for everyone.
We resume our journey North. We reach Yellowstone with no issues, and about 20 miles into the park, we stop at the West Thumb Geyser Basin.
If we had gotten lost, we could have found our way by following the smell of rotten eggs. Here, we have to strictly follow a wooden path as puddles of sulfuric hot water can randomly form out from anywhere on the ground.
In this area, no shooting water in the air, but mainly steaming and bubbling liquids, either crystal clear water, or mud.
The air on our legs is either very cold or very hot depending on where the wind blows. This is really fun and we take a few nice pictures.
It was a nice stop, but we have to keep heading to our camp, because Wendy scheduled a sunset cruise, and a bus is supposed to pick us up from the RV camp at 7:15pm. We eventually reach the camp, which is one of the very few with water/sewage/electrical hookup. We’re scheduled to stay here for 2 nights. It’s raining, and the place is a little depressing, which is surprising considering everything is so picture perfect everywhere in Yellowstone. Oh well, we won’t spend much time here anyway. We easily hookup the R.V., and walk back to the entrance of the camp where we’re supposed to be picked up for the cruise. The pickup is late, but eventually shows up. It is a vintage yellow mini bus with wooden door.
Its driver is an old lady with pink hair and a twinkle in her eye. She looks just as vintage as the vehicle itself. We are the last people she picks up and the mini-bus is now full with us. We start heading down a road, and she soon stops to show us a beautiful lake.
We get out of the bus, and snap a few pictures, until we realize there are a few bisons in the distance.
We’re very excited because these are the first ones we see on this trip. Other people in our group seem more blasé about it, which leads us to believe that we may see a few more on this trip. We hit the road and stop again at a spot called Le Hardy rapids. We get out, walk down a path, to reach a deck on a stunning river, with massive trouts, which we can see through the clear water.
It’s another beautiful spot, and we take a few pictures until we leisurely get back to the minibus and hit the road again. We drive up on the Eastern side of the lake to a place called Lake Butte. The sun is starting to set, and the view is nothing short of breathtaking.

I can honestly say that this is one of the most incredible views I have ever seen.
The lake, the mountain, the clouds, the moon, the forest as far as the eye can see, the pink color of the sky… I’ve never taken as many pictures.
With my Zeiss camera, with my iPhone, in portrait, in landscape, in panorama… All you can hear is the clicking of the cameras around us, because everyone is just as stunned by the beauty of the sight.
Even our old lady guide, who’s probably been a ranger for a century or two, is snapping photos with her own phone. A grouse is keeping us company, strutting around us, just to add to the show.
It takes a few minutes for everyone to take it in. I have to stop taking pictures and enjoy with my own sight. The photos won’t give it justice anyway. This view alone would have made the whole trip worthwhile.
As we’re getting back into the bus, Wendy looks at her watch and realizes it’s almost time for the end of the “cruise”. When are we getting on that boat? She enquires and realizes that there is no such thing as a boat tour on this “cruise”. We all have a good laugh at Wendy’s expense, and happily made our ay back to the RV camp in our vintage “cruiser”. We all have a hot tea in the RV with Oreo cookies, and soon switch off the light. It was another fabulous day in paradise.
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RV Trip – Day 5

July 3rd, 2017 No comments

Wednesday June 28, 2017

We were advised to leave early to find a parking spot at Phelps Lake. So we set the alarm for 7am, and slowly made our way up there after a 20 minute or so ride. We find plenty parking space, so we’re set. The hike is supposed to be a 6 miles loop around the lake, but it will take us about 4 hours.
Wendy, who is our planner extraordinaire on this trip, has consulted yesterday with a ranger who strongly advised her to buy a can of bear spray, in case of an encounter. It is a very potent chili pepper mix that you’d use in an emergency (if a bear charges towards you). Its supposed to shoot 30 feet, and, just like mace for humans, is extremely uncomfortable for the attacking animal. Interestingly, the manual says that once you spray, it’s better not to hang around the same spot, because what starts as an extreme repellant eventually becomes an attractant when settled on the ground. It is also effective in deterring other potentially aggressive animals such as bisons, moose, elks, wolfs, etc. We start walking on the trail and the views are just spectacular.
We are on the lookout for animals and start seeing a few pocket gophers, and finally a mule deer.
…and another one.
The trails are very well designed and I’ll let the photos speak for themselves.
The weather is perfect… for now. We were told to make noise to make sure not to startle a bear, which is a big no-no. For a while we abide by the rule, but after 30 minutes or so, we walk quietly. Regis is on the front, followed by Lucas, Audrey, and then Wendy. As we’re walking on a narrow path along the lake and against the side of the mountain, we turn a corner and Regis and Lucas  spot a grizzly bear (yes, not a black bear but a grizzly bear! brown color, flat face, hump on the back…) on the path, literally 35 or 40 feet away. This really gets our heart pumping because the bear only has two choices, running away in the opposite direction, or running towards us. The four of us quickly huddle, and Wendy pulls out the bear spray from its holster and removes the safety. What particularly gets our adrenalin rushing is that the bear first shows signs of going away, but quickly stops and turns his body around towards us. We will later learn that they often do than, checking to see if we run away, which would be an invitation to chase us. Fortunately, we’ve read a bit about such situations, and know enough to stand our ground and back away slowly. The bear eventually goes away. What a rush. We will realize later that this was a very lucky encounter, but also a dangerously close one. Bears should not be approached less than 100 yards, or 300 feet. Because of the tight corner, we only saw the bear when he was much closer, and worse, we startled him. Oh well, everyone is safe, and it makes for a good story to tell.
We complete the loop around the lake and only 10 minutes from the finish line, a storm breaks out and it starts pouring rain and hail. Wendy planned very well, and bought some disposable ponchos in Jackson. We’re set. We make it uneventfully to the car, not before we cross a few folks and make sure to tell them to look out for the bear. Both kids and adults had a great time.
We head back to the RV park and have lunch there, then Wendy and I leave the kids and head to “Elevated Grounds”, a coffee shop nearby, recommended by J.R. (our river guide), since he’s the manager (when he’s not giving tours). Cappuccino is not great (over-roasted beans) but we are snobs.  For the anecdote, J.R. told us that he served a coffee to Jimmy Kimmel the day before. After coffee, Wendy and I go to the grocery store nearby to stock up on supplies: Yellowstone will not have the same amenities as Jackson, and we have plenty of room in the RV, so might as well be prepared. We head back to the campground, and unhook the RV: we have to return the rental car by 5pm. We head there, get rid of the car, and go to Jackson city center again, where, to our great surprise, we find a large parking lot for RVs, just steps away from the central square. Shops in Jackson are beautiful, and browsing through them is actually a lot of fun. One in particular has tons of stuffed animals, and although we’re not into that stuff, it’s a great way to see wild animal up close: One can by an 8-foot standing stuffed grizzly bear for $29,000, or be more reasonable and bring home a moose head for $5,000. Another beautiful store sells thousands of cowboy hats, leather horse-riding boots, or rocking chairs (a spectacular one, made out some kind of burl wood, caught Regis’s attention… too bad it cost $7,000 😉 Anyway, it’s a perfect time to wait until 6pm, when a daily cowboy shoot out is staged at the northeastern corner of the central square. A few cowboys and cowgirls re-enact an altercation scene that ends up in a shoot out, where most die. The cow girls kick butt of course. It’s a 10-15 minutes show, and seem to be a popular touristic attraction. We all enjoyed it. Time to head back to the camp. We made 8pm reservation at an Italian restaurant not even half a mile from our camp. We decide to bike there. Restaurant is great, and we all thoroughly enjoy the food, the drinks, and the desert.
Meal over, it’s dark, so we carefully cycle back to the camp and call it another fantastic day.
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RV Trip – Day 4

July 3rd, 2017 No comments

Tuesday June 27, 2017

We have set the alarm for 7am as Wendy has planned a Mad River tour on the Snake River. We had initially planned for a white water rafting trip, which the tour company had to cancel due to high waters and too dangerous conditions. This other type of tour is far tamer. We get a boat dedicated to the 4 of us, and J.R. is our river guide.
He rows the boat as no motors are allowed on the Snake River. He’s the quintessential dude, and shares tons of stories and fact about the river and the area.
Temperature and weather are perfect, and we have a great time. We spot a lot of bald eagles in the air or in their nest. We also see lots of great white pelicans, blue herons, yellow belly marmots.
We also see a very special cow: it belongs to Harrison Ford, whose land we pass by. Although we don’t spot beavers, we see the extent of their work, with plenty of downed trees on the banks. The tour was great, and after 12 miles down the river, we reach our destination, where vans are waiting for us to drive us back to where we started. Time for lunch, we drive to downtown Jackson, where we lunch at Bin 22, a well rated tapas restaurant, according to Yelp. We’re not disappointed.
From there we walk around downtown Jackson and stop for cappuccinos at Cowboy Coffee, which was recommended to us by J.R. (the river guide). Jackson is a very western themed town, with many souvenir shops, restaurants, cafes, and a very nice central square.
Since we’ll come back tomorrow, we don’t spend too much time and drive out to Mormon’s Row, which is an old Mormon settlement. It’s only a 15-20 minutes drive and well worth the detour.
The site is peaceful and the background is splendid.
Did I forget to say that Audrey and Lucas are getting along fantastic on this trip. It really add to the success of this vacation so far!
Driving back to the RV park, we suddenly hit a traffic jam on a little windy road. First we thought that a car accident just happened, with several cars parked hastily on the side of the road. We quickly realize that some people got our of their car to snap photos. It’s a female moose with her baby! That is a very special sighting, and unfortunately, there is nowhere for us to park and we have to move along. It was hard to see through the trees, but we got a little glance, and can say we saw a moose in the wild, which few people can say that they have. Once back at the RV park, we prepare dinner (hot dogs!) and since it’s a little cold (it briefly rained during the day), we cozy up inside the RV and watch a movie (Diary of a Wimpy Kid :-). Good night!
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RV Trip – Day 3

July 3rd, 2017 No comments

Monday June 26, 2017

We wake up after a good night. Campground is quiet, temperature inside the RV is cold though… well maybe that’s because we did not switch the thermostat from A/C to heat before going to bed, and the nights are pretty cold.
We made pancakes and got the bikes down from the rack. We decide to bike to Teton Village which is about a 5-mile ride on a perfectly paved bicycle trail. To our left, the view of the Tetons is beautiful.
View from the bike trail…
We cross a few animals that look like small squirrels without tails. We learn later that those are pocket gophers. We stop to feed two horses and finally reach the village.
It’s lunch time, so we park our bicycles and make a stop at the Alpenholf, a German restaurant. Teton Village is also a ski resort during the winter, and this restaurant has the feel of a chalet. The menu is also very wintery, minus the kale and quinoa salad that Wendy orders. Views are great, and we have a good time.
After this, we watch some mountain bikers speed down the mountain on a special trail. We’d like to see the view from the summit, and Briger Gondola is free in less than 2 hours. Hey, that’s $95 we don’t mind saving, especially considering that there is a fun rope parkour that Regis, Lucas and Audrey would like to do.
The kids do great, they’re natural. Regis, however, is struggling to keep up, and 2 or 3 elements are really tough for him. My arms are shaking at the end, but the pride is somewhat intact. Wendy is baking in the sun while waiting for us. Time for the gondola. As we rise the view is getting more and more spectacular.
We pass patches of snow and the temperature is dropping quickly. As we reach the top, a perfectly located bar/cafe is calling us. We stop for a beer/ice tea, soak in the sun, spot a few marmots, snap a few photos, chat briefly with the people from the neighboring table (Regis just knocked one of the woman’s head with his backpack, but she was good humored and her friend couldn’t stop laughing).
Time to take the gondola back down.
View seems even better going down, so Regis takes a long video. Once down, we get our bicycle back, and ride back to the RV camp. On the way, Lucas and Audrey spot a snake on the path. Exciting!
Lucky us there is an upscale market on the way and we make a quick stop to purchase proper aperitif (Lillet, duck pate, saucisson, baguette).
Back at the park, we grill again, play some more pétanque, and skip the s’mores this time. Day 3 was another great day.
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RV Trip – Day 2

June 28th, 2017 No comments

Sunday June 25, 2017

OK, we survived first night! Not sure we’re supposed to fire up the power generator on a Walmart parking lot, so we won’t. That means no A/C. As etiquette demands, we actually went inside the Walmart to buy some snacks, flip flops, and whatevers as a thank for letting us stay on their lot for the night. We have roughly 7 hours to our RV park destination in Jackson, WY.


Not too bad. We drive for an hour and made a stop in Boise, capital of Idaho.


It seems like a nice city, with a very pretty downtown. We strolled by the capitol, stopped at a coffee shop for a cappuccino and donuts. Then hit the road again. Trip is uneventful. Wendy took the wheel so I could rest a bit.

Our only stops were for gas and to check out the view.

So in one day we crossed the entire state of Idaho.

About 30 minutes before our destination, we started crossing the Teton Pass, which is quite steep, either going up or down. Views are breathtaking for the passengers, but driver has to stay very focused. We were warned about it by our neighbors, who told us their brakes were smoking after the 3 miles downhill. We finally arrived arrived in Jackson, WY around 6pm. We first stopped at this car rental place to pick up our rental car, and then went to the our first RV campground a few miles down the road. The purpose of the rental car is to roam around easily. Also, RVs are not allowed in some roads in the parks.

The RV park is very nice and well located. We find our spot and park the rig pretty easily. Hookup of electricity, water and sewage is a breeze. Nice to turn on the central A/C in the RV, water heater and pump. It’s a proper house!

Our neighbors are a family from Virginia. We chat briefly. They seem very nice. We pulled out the barbecue grill and Wendy grills steaks. This is heaven. We get the pétanque game out of the trunk and Regis plays with the kids. People seem a little puzzled by the metal balls: they’re more used to see Bocce balls, typically made out of epoxy composite or wood.

We actually lucked out and our spot is at the ed of an aisle, so we have a patch of grass, a nice wood table, a fire pit, and plenty of space for ourselves. To complete the picture, I start a fire, and later we made s’mores for deserts. It’s getting dark and we eventually get inside the RV. We’re all pretty tired, so no movie tonight. Every one goes to bed and fall asleep fast. This concludes a very successful day 2 of our RV trip full of promises.

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RV Trip – Day 1

June 27th, 2017 No comments

Saturday June 24, 2017

It was exciting and a little frantic preparing for this RV trip. I’m sure the fact that it’s our first ever RV trip added some extra trepidation. Our RV was ready around 1pm, so Wendy and I went to pick it up. We received a 45 minute orientation from Michael T., a very very nice guy. No driving tips or practice on their parking lot, which surprised me considering this thing is 27 foot long, and neither Wendy or I have ever driven such a vehicle. This RV is a 2017 Thor Chateau. It has a bedroom with a queen size bed in the back, which you can only reply once you have deployed the pull out. Very cool. Bathroom with shower, full kitchen with fridge, microwave oven, regular oven, cooktop, dinette that converts into a bed, sofa that can convert into another bed, 2 big TVs, and a queen bed over the cab. For us, who know only camping in tents, this is the bomb. Once orientation is over, Wendy takes of with the car, while Regis drives the RV back home. First impressions: my goodness this thing is LOUD. Other remark: it is fairly easy to drive, and my apprehensions quickly dissipate. I also notice that other motorists are quite respectful of the RV, and slow down to help me change lanes. The RV rental place is only a 10-min drive from home. Lucas and Audrey are actually waiting on the driveway. I guess they are excited. They are impressed with the size of the RV: they did not think it would be so big.

It’s all relative: a 27 foot RV is nothing big compared to what’s out there. Its actually considered a relatively small RV. But for us, it’s a “chateau”! We start loading this thing. It’s great not to have to pack suitcases: piles on the floor are transferred to cupboards,  drawers and trunks. The shower is filled with beverages for now. Once done packing, to my surprise, we still have plenty of storage room available. Nice. Our neighbors, the Keysers, swing by to say hi. Erin gave us tons of advice in our preparation for this trip, as they did a very similar vacation 2 years ago (their RV was 34 foot long though! Hard to keep up with the neighbors 🙂

They also lend us their camping grill, which is going to get a lot of use I’m sure. Time flies, and the RV is still on our driveway. We’d better get out butt in gear: We’d like to get to Boise tonight, and it’s a solid 7 hour drive. It may be a lofty goal. We’ll see how far we get. Finally we’re off.

They gave us the RV with a 1/4 tank, so let’s fill it up to the nearest gas station.

Wow, that’s a big tank: $110 worth of gas. Let’s see how far that gets us. We hit the road at 6:30pm. I84 is the only road all the way. Again, the RV is easy to drive. Very loud though. It’s like driving a big truck. It’s a Ford E450 Engine. The fun part of driving an RV is mostly for the passengers: you can legally roam around, lounge in your bed, use the restroom, etc. Although for the driver who’s still getting his groove on, thats pretty distracting. But we make good time. I realize that I forgot to bring a bike lock for the 4 bicycles we have on the rack in the back, so we make a quick stop at a Walmart in Pendleton. Then back on the road, and this time Wendy is driving the rig. It’s dark and mountainous and Wendy is pretty tense, but eventually gets more comfortable as the road straightens. We made no plan for the first night, not knowing what time we would get the RV, and what time we would leave. We were told, however, that Walmart allows RV’ers to stay on their parking lot for one night free of charge. This actually allows for peace of mind and flexibility… until we realized, by calling along the way, that not all Walmart offer this convenience: the Boise Walmart doesn’t. Oh well, reaching Boise was actually a little too lofty of a goal, and there is another Walmart, one hour before Boise, in Ontario, OR, that will perfectly do. We reach it at about 1:30AM, and park two spots away from another similar RV.

Despite the long drive and the fatigue, Wendy and I find it hard to fall asleep. Maybe the excitement, maybe the Walmart parking lights right above our unit (but better safe than sorry), maybe a bit of stress of actually hanging out overnight in a Walmart parking lot 🙂 But we do fall asleep, and get good rest on an uneventful night.

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Happy Holidays!

December 22nd, 2012 No comments


Happy Holidays 2012-2013 (HD version)


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Thank You Steve Jobs

October 5th, 2011 No comments

“Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.…”

Steve Jobs

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